Mash up any large chunks and put the bag back into the water. In the soap making process, sodium lactate is added to the lye/water solution once the temperature is below 54 degrees Celsius. It sounds like you’re doing everything just right. Hot-process soapmaking uses an external heat source to bring the soap to gel phase. Another cause of crumbly soap is lye heaviness. May I ask how much milk did you add? Lye water can reach temperatures up to 200°F. . I would recommend making a small test batch with the EDTA and sodium lactate just to be sure. hi Sodium lactate is … I have not had Titanium Dioxide in any of my batches so it’s not that. It is produced by fermentation of a sugar source, such as corn or beets, and then, by neutralising the resulting lactic acid to create a compound having the formula NaC 3 H 5 O 3.. Function in CP Soap: I may try the trick with the lye/water and stick blender. I added about 1 1/2 tsp of cranberry seeds to the white only, and 1.75 oz of Oatmeal Milk and Honey Fragrance to the brown only (oddly the brown didn’t accelerate nearly as much as the other two). , I have been using SL for a short time and have yet to try it with the lye. Thanks, You can use a salt water solution if you like! It will likely not want to mix in very well, and won’t harden those salves up. It literally slithered out of the pot when I poured it in the mold. This gives us 1.1% You can the sodium lactate to the room temperature lye water! Definitely a new one on me. Then, after your soap is in the mold, give it some good taps on your counter. Agreed, sodium lactate feels amazing in lotion! If you want it a bit more hard, you can try both in a small test batch. Stir to dissolve. , Palm Free Vertical Twist: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/cold-process-soap/palm-free-vertical-twist-tutorial/, Using both salt water and sodium lactate may make the soap brittle or crumbly. hth, I HAVE A POWDER OF SODIUM LACTATE,HOW DO I USE IT AND IN WHAT AMOUNT After looking into this further, I realized the .5-4% usage rate for sodium lactate was for lotion. . The 4 tsp. I've made a couple cold process batches, but I'm dying to try hot process. Sodium Lactate is often used in recipes that are high in liquid oils because it will make the soap harder and easier to remove from the mould. Add the olive, and avocado and stir to combine. Oils like coconut … I always add a bit of oil and usually either coconut milk or heavy cream after the cook. . Thanks so much for any input you can provide. I know Sulphur make a Soap softer. That way your batch doesn’t get too watery! Sodium Lactate 60% FG: Sodium lactate is the sodium salt of lactic acid and has a mild saline taste. I love to use EDTA and it really adds to cleaning and suds. When we use sodium lactate in our recipes, we use the full amount of water. 1200 total oils I added the 9 grams (0.32 oz) of sodium lactate to the cooled lye water (about 120F) before mixing the lye water with the oils. I’m thinking it may be a temperature thing! Adding both may make the bars a bit hard or crumbly. I’d be more than happy to email those to you! With the citric acid creating a “softer” shampoo bar initially, would you be able to add SL to make it more firm? We tested out several different types of salt, and had the best luck with regular table salt. To make that mix 1 teaspoon of regular table salt into 1 ounce (by weight) of warm distilled water. I’m not sure the performance is worth the appearance. This post has more information on natural products: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/tips-and-tricks/natural-vs-organic/, Shea butter: https://www.brambleberry.com/Shea-Butter-P3220.aspx. The humectant properties of sodium lactate keeps skin moisturized longer. I am so sorry about that. Then, combine this with the rest of the water in your recipe, add your lye and stir well. Also, castile soap can be quite soft, so I think adding the sodium lactate at a higher percentage. Using higher temperatures and forcing gel phase Gel phase is a part of the saponification process where the batch gets hot and gelatinous. I just made some banana milk tonight, so I am going to try that in my next soap (I'll use it as part of my lye water - before the cook). D’s is my first time of hearing about sodium lactate.can I use salt instead of SL and is sodium sulphate d same as sodium lactate. When using sodium lactate, add it to your cooled lye water. I think the Soap Queen lab needs a crockpot, or at least someone who knows about hot process. Read more in this post about trace: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/tips-and-tricks/trace/. Pick the bag up and (using a hot pad) squish the soap around in the bag. sorry, also, when you make soap with sodium lactate, how long does it take to cure? By the time I added the fragrance oils they just floated on top of the thick batter. Titanium dioxide can accelerate slightly as well, though not as much as clay. I know some hot process soapers like to add it at trace so the soap stays nice and fluid. Stir until the salt is fully dissolved. Create your solution. Sodium lactate can be added to both hot process and cold process soap. I love using it in lotions instead of glycerin. I used 0.22 oz citric acid, which represented 1% of oils (for chelation purposes), mixed with 4 tablespoons of water, which I whisked in at thin trace. Hot Process Series: Crock Pot Camo: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/cold-process-soap/hot-process-series-crock-pot-camo/. Thank you. I would recommend trying the bars with one or the other. Tagged With: basic quick mix, lotion, sodium lactate, Sunday Night Spotlight, tips and tricks. Since there is so much glycerin in the recipe it seems my bars never fully harden and when I cut down on the glycerin the bars get crumbly and do not want to hold their shape. . I’m thinking it’s a combination of the hard oils and temperature. We have bars in our lab made with and without it, and we haven’t noticed any big changes in the weight of the bars. When using Sodium Lactate for CP soap, is it ok to do a water discount, or do you need to use full water? When making cold process soap, sodium lactate is added to cooled lye water. Thank you so much in advance! I’m wondering if not adding the SL properly could have any negative effects on the outcome of the soap? . Thanks so much for any help you can give! You recommend using 1 tsp PPO, but on Bramble Berry it says you can use up to 4% PPO (I accidently put 5% earlier). However, we have not done a lot of testing with it in hot process soap. Sodium lactate does that as well! Maybe even more? Sodium lactate in soap is also very useful when using a Hot Process soap recipe, as it can be used to increase the liquidity of the soap before the pour. Sodium lactate is also used in hot process soaps toward the end of the cook to create a more fluid soap that easier to get into the soap mold. Stick blending will ensure everything’s incorporated. What creams are you adding at the end of your cook? In my excitement I somehow missed the directions on adding it to the lye water and I added it directly to the soap at trace instead. So, the water you can just count as the water in your batch and list it with that, as the water used in the solution is just taken from that. We usually mix in an ice bath so temperature rarely gets above 65-70. I did use less then recommended in the second batch, one tablespoon as opposed to one and a half. They also help add some skin-loving moisture. I stirred, whisked, and even stick blended, which seemed to help a little, but my in-the-pot swirl (working with 2 colors) didn’t go very well due, to the runny, slippery consistency of the soap. When it comes to unmolding, hard oils are your friend. Thank you! . I used sweet almond oil, one Tbs oil and one tsp colorant. Feel free to share, tweet and pin to your hearts content. I just purchased some sodium lactate, but when I was making my batch I accidentally looked too fast and put I tablespoon instead of 1 teaspoon per pound. Sodium lactate is a natural humectant, moisturizer and pH regulator. I don’t have table salt and I don’t want to buy any. I can tell you that on their own, both sodium lactate and salt harden the bars nicely! , Read more about common soapmaking oils here: http://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/tips-and-tricks/free-beginners-guide-to-soapmaking-common-soapmaking-oils/. Read more about working with clays here: https://www.soapqueen.com/bramble-berry-news/sunday-night-spotlight-brazilian-clay/, For your next batch, it can help to add the colors right before swirling them into the soap. So simple yet never thought of it. Can I make my own Sodium Lactate? Also, how hot were your lye and oils? If so how much SL to liquid ratio? Is there an alternative to this? Typically, soap is in the mold for 3-5 days or so. Also, 65-70 is a fine temperature to add your sodium lactate. Let me know and I’ll help you troubleshoot. I’m making 50/50 milk soap so I don’t have to freeze the milk. Well I began mixing my lye/oil mixture at about 125 degrees after I mixed the SL into the lye water and it began to thicken again as soon as the oil began to mix with the lye water and was thick pudding in 30 seconds and this is before any colorant or fragrances were added. We recommend using the sodium lactate within two years of purchase. It does need a lot of extra blending to stay emulsified, which can thicken it quite a bit. I put it in the mold and hoped for the best. of sodium lactate per pound of oils is a good starting place! Gel phase in cold process soap making can be promoted intentionally, through CPOP or insulation, or naturally (Such as in the case of added sugars, or a particular fragrance oil, which heat up in your soap batch. Higher temperatures increase the chance of the soap going through gel phase. . That would mix with the soap and make the overall result a bit more soft. I made a 4 lb batch of soap and I think the sodium lactate caused it to e crumbly. Superfat was 6.1%; 4.1% of that was from the sweet almond oil after the cook, 2% was from the base oils. . There are lots of small air pockets, presumably because in my distress I forgot to tap the mold on the counter. per pound of oils to the cooled lye … I do try to make my products GMO-free, since I don’t make it for sale but rather for my family and friends. Thanks. My soap did accelerate at this point (not totally sure it was the SL, but I hadn’t added fragrance to the white portion and that had accelerated, too). Sodium lactate can also be used in hot process soap to make it smooth and in lotion to draw moisture to the skin. in 1 oz. Step 5 Simply measure out the sodium lactate, and stir into the cool lye water. This time I took the stick blender out at a very light trace and grabbed my prepped lemon rind and juice and was folding it into the soap with a spatula and it started to accelerate very rapidly. Use Sodium Lactate to make your Cold Process Soap bars hard and smooth. Soap Challenge Club July: Colour Palettes, Luster Canyon - Handcrafted Bath & Body Products, Cocoa Butter Soap with Lavender & Lemon Infused Oil. Hallo, you told that SL will speed up the unmolding time. So far it has not worked well for me. They have less glycerin so they’re a bit more firm. . However, because your recipe is softer, you may want to go up to the 1.92 oz. Let me know and I’ll help you troubleshoot. Sodium lactate will increase the hardness of bar (NaOH) soap, make bar soap easier to remove from a silicone mold, make hot process NaOH soap more fluid and stirrable, and make liquid (KOH) soap paste easier to dilute. I was just wondering how it would look on an ingredient list versus salt or even sea salt. But once the soap is molded, sodium lactate will harden your soap faster, allowing for the soap to unmold easily. I decided to go ahead and make this soap now, even though it will be for Christmas gifts. Oh no, I’m sorry to hear that! If so, what did you mix them with? So, we recommend 1 tsp. Mike, I don't use a cool lye solution because I am saponifying fatty acids with high melt points. per pound of oils to the cooled lye water. Tutorials on soapmaking, bath fizzies, lotions and more, October 5, 2014 Filed Under: Bramble Berry News. Sodium Lactate is used to harden cold process soap while minimizing shrinkage associated with curing. I want to use Sodium Lactate in my soap to improve life but I was wondering if I can use it in melt and pour soap. Would it still be effective? per pound of oils. I find it to be a wonderful humectant that offers moisturizing properties without the stickiness one finds in glycerin. All beets in USA ura genetically modified, unless grown in your own or organic garden…. Can you use sodium lactate in salves/balms and solid lotion bars to harden them up as well? I find that a water discount also helps to make a harder bar of soap. Could the SL be causing the trace to advance that fast? Blend the oil mixture on high until medium trace. Can I use Sodium Lactate in M&P soaps to make a harder bar? I just heard back from our vendor. Laundry soap is made up of several ingredients, including washing soda and baking soda. If it’s still soft to the touch, let it sit another day or two. The amount of lather your homemade soap produces is directly related to the types and balance of oils in your soap recipe. I love it in lotion too. I’m wondering if it may be something else. I used 1.6 oz of “Christmas Forest,” but I don’t think the fragrance oils can be blamed, since I added that after the cook, when the soap was already weird. Sodium lactate is used in cold process as well as hot processed soap making to make a hard bar of soap. , Melt and pour bases: https://www.brambleberry.com/Melt-Pour-Bases-C151.aspx. Also, do you mind if I ask what’s in your recipe? But I feel like everything is blended very well and I always tap it on the counter multiple times. I would recommend testing the soap’s pH level. The only difference between the two is soap “A” was made with sodium lactate, while soap “B” was not. Or would the salt interfere with the lather? Deals, Discounts, Free Gifts, Prizes, Coupons.... LOVELY NEW CHRISTMAS SOAPS AND A NEW ONLINE SHOP. We have added sodium lactate when the lye water is fairly hot and it worked out just fine. Sorry again for any confusion. The recommended amount to use is about 1 tsp per pound of oils. Typically when you add sodium lactate your soap unmolds faster. I also use Sodium Lactate and ask if there is any contra indications in mixing the two at prescribed rates. Usage rates for the liquid sodium lactate are between 1-5% of oils. Thanks for all the awesome tutorials and info! It also helps to form a harder bar, allowing the object to cut more t t and increase the life of the outcome in the shower or bath. . I didn’t discount it from the water and I added it with the oils instead of the water. I don’t think adding sodium lactate right after mixing the lye and water should be an issue! Sodium Lactate is an effective natural moisturizer and humectant which can increase moisture retention and studies show it can be a better moisturizer than glycerin. I don’t have the recipe off hand at the moment, and it may be a bit lye heavy, but probably not since I super fatted it 2%. :/ I am a bit overwhelmed at the moment. That is called Polysorbate 80! , This post has more tips on swirling soap: https://www.soapqueen.com/bath-and-body-tutorials/tips-and-tricks/five-tips-swirling-cold-process-soap/. It’s amazing! With the lemon soap , remembering what happened previously I used the stick blender for 10 sec bursts and then paused for a while to see if it continued to thicken while at rest. Don’t add too much sodium lactate though; keep usage to about .5 to 1 tsp per pound of oils for the best results. Then, add the solution at trace. But it’s hideous to look at. When used in cold-or hot-process soap process, sodium lactate increases the amount of moisture skin of the user is able to attract and retain. Read more about sodium lactate in this Sunday Night Spotlight: http://www.soapqueen.com/bramble-berry-news/sunday-night-spotlight-sodium-lactate/. You use at same amount? That means it can mean different things to different people! They both help harden the soap up, which makes it unmold more quickly. To make the solution, mix 1 teaspoon of regular table salt into 1 ounce (by weight) of warm distilled water. If you’d like your bars a little drier, you can cut back on all the liquid ingredients slightly. What is in your recipe? I lied, THIS is my last sodium lactate question. It’s HP using an immersion blender to maintain the heat and push the process along faster. However, we’ve added sodium lactate at trace as well with no problems. of water per pound of oils, water and lye. However I also notice that I seem to get more soda ash too so i try to keep my soap sprayed with alcohol during the process up until the unmolding. Because lemon juice is very acidic, it does tend to react with the lye and can do some odd things in soap. 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Then it was oily and separated and truly revolting. -Devyn, You can use a salt water solution to harden your soap! Coconut oil, cocoa butter and shea butter all add great firming properties to recipes. Thank you, Sodium lactate doesn’t typically accelerate trace! Thanks! If you’re working with a more complex design, I would recommend sodium lactate. Then, multiply that by 5 to figure out how much distilled water you need. Would it be okay to rebatch this batch or is it ruined from too much sodium lactate? So glad you like the post! Sodium lactate is used in cold process as well as hot processed soap making to make a hard bar of soap. Such a great idea, I use sodium lactate in my CP soaps every batch, but never thought to try in HP. Soap “A” is harder in the center, and the knife was able to make a clean cut all the way through the soap. You can use a salt water solution to help harden your soap! If you’d prefer, you can use percentages in your recipe. When measuring out my SL do I use the total oils weight or total recipe weight? We haven’t experimented with sulfur in soap, so I’m not entirely sure how soft it makes the bars. If the soap is lye heavy, laundry soap is the way to go. Soldium Lactate 60%?Thanks :), When using the sodium lactate, do we have to add a cream? You may want to make a small tester of the lye and liquid, and see if adding the sodium lactate beforehand does anything odd. One more question: Does sodium lactate expire? . That’s an option as well. I was using glycerin in place of a carrier oil but found it makes the soap to soft. I have used SL for my last two batches of Cold Process soap and both times I have achieved a very light trace, right where I wanted to be before adding my fragrance oils. I'm pretty new to soap making. I add my SL after the cook! I’m not entirely sure what sodium lactate does to the evaporation rate of soap! It works really well in recipes. Recipe was 6.5 oz coconut oil, 6.5 oz palm oil, 7 oz olive oil, 1 oz castor oil (these ratios are my standard base recipe), with 1 oz sweet almond oil added w/ the FO after the cook. Sodium lactate is also used in hot process soaps toward the end of the cook to create a more fluid soap that easier to get into the soap mold. Maybe that is my issue? Or can we just add the sodium lactate alone. You can also make a small test batch of soap to see how it works! Just curious! Hi Kelsey, I just read your reply to Fuchia that this product has no GMO in it. Typically, the sodium lactate is used at 1-3% of the total lotion recipe. I wanna use SL so I don’t have to wait too long And have a good one. You can add up to 33% of both of those oils. Sodium lactate is a salt of lactic acid. i want to make a HP Sulphur-Salt Soap (10% Sulphur in Lye and 60% after sapofined). Under-cooked? 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